Last years stats count when the reigning MVP .. surpasses his own MVP #'s. You lose credibility when you dismiss what someone has accomplished (3 months prior)

The reason I include last seasons stats is ... he is taking MORE shots this season and averaging better shooting percentages across the board, he added 9 points per game, AND DOUBLED his assists .. while lowering his turnovers.. how is he not the MVP again?

Winterball:

MVP Pat: 23.1 ppg 40% fg 28% 3pt 56% ft 9.8 rpg 2.6 apg 3.0 spg

Summerball

MVP Pat: 32.7 ppg 48% fg 33% 3pt 62% ft 10.7 rpg 5.7 apg 3.7 spg



This debate is all fun and no hard feelings. We need a muslim league podcast!

I’m not playing this season and haven’t seen any games, but I vote for Pat solely based on numbers and the ratio of points/assists to total team ppg average. Kazan appears to play a more uptempo style. The only way Mo would be #1 imo is the output not shown on box score ... leadership,on ball defense (not counting the recorded blocks,steals, etc.), in game management, etc. same way Kawhi Leonard was in the convo despite having a lesser statistical output.

But who cares about the “mvp” it’s all about the chip.

I don’t see a bias I just see people over analyzing numbers.

I guess Bias would indicate the general public are favoring one individual over another based on government name? I don’t think that’s the case based on my experience with MB and based on who won it last season. MB might be biased with respect to approving/rejecting teams/roster moves but that’s a topic for another time and place 😀

I appreciate the consideration Kurat. I thought I chime in because of the tag teaming on you, haha..and accusation of being bias? I don’t even think we know each other? At least, I can’t tell from the log-in name. I think playing with the actual player may more likely make someone seem Bias but everyone is entitled to their opinion.
If stats are the sole criteria in selecting the MVP, then Pat has the advantage. Although Me and Pat are different players so our stats will be different. Most of my work is in the paint and Pat does most of his damage from the perimeter. Also, to base everything on stats will never do justice to TheAn112’s point. There are other factors that should be considered for this type of award, although that will definitely be tough to fully measure because no one really watches the games (haha, too many games to watch). If I’m granted MVP, I’ll take it based on the overall measure..haha. Although this point in my career, it wont mean much if no chip. It’s clear Pat is worthy for it.
Kurat put some time to research and post his opinions on awards and All-team players. In general, a lot of different players have been given recognition so applauding that. I enjoy the posts and analysis that make this forum entertaining (most of the time). Thanks to the contributors.

Don't assume. You just make yourself look like an idiot. If our posts make you feel some type of way they can always be addressed in person. I will leave it at that.


By the way, Mo Abdelhadi, trust me when I say I mean absolutely ZERO disrespect when I am vouching for Pat for MVP. You are an elite player in this league and you had an amazing season. I don't post much, but I do enjoy reading the forums and seeing everyone's opinions, and at the end of the day, that is exactly what it is. An opinion. There is no right or wrong answer here. Good luck in the playoffs, sir!

Thanks everyone for the comments and feedback. Everyone except Tman13. I'd like to second what Malik said, these are all opinions, and no one should be mocked for expressing them.


On to the matter at hand. Mo_Abdelhadi, I do not know you, but have seen you and Pat both play. My picks are based on observation and stats. Pat is a beast, he's got a rare combination of speed, size/strength and skill. That makes him virtually impossible to stop. Additionally, I wouldn't consider him a perimeter player, it's pick your poison with Pat.

I'd also like to add that Kazan play an up-tempo style as TheAn said, they go for a bunch of steals and give up a bunch of points. They also score at an efficient rate. Kazan is built perfectly around Pat.

I'm still going with Mo with my pic because of what I already mentioned and would add to it that if you take away Abdelhadi and you're probably looking at .500 Kabul team at best. You take away Pat and Kazan is still a solid team.

What about the other awards? Yall are in agreement?

Tim Brown should definitely be on one of these all-team lists.. Much much respect for his game. Agree with Tex on Frank Trib, but he didn’t play enough games so that’s fair.